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Was B7 sexist
Yes
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 60%  [ 6 ]
No
40%
 40%  [ 4 ]
Other
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:18 pm    Post subject: Was B7 sexist? Reply with quote

It has a larger female fanbase than most SF shows of its era enjoyed, but was B7 any more or less sexist than its contemporaries? Given that B7 co-incided with the arrival of what are arguably SF's two most iconic movie herioines - Ellen Ripley and Princess Leia - it seems to me that it's a question worth considering.

Does the presence of strong female characters like Dayna and Soolin compensate for the under devellopment of Jenna? How credible a female character is Servalan? Is she really just a male character in drag or is she an empowered woman who triumphs by playing on male vanity and weakness?Was a series that appeared to allow Ben Steed to present the rape and subjugation of women as a part of a natural order of things also a series that was bound to end up looking hopelessly and laughably reactionary post-Alien?

And perhaps most importantly, how do female fans feel about feminist/sexist themes in B7?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YES, It was sexist in some respects becuase of the era it was made in. One reaon why "SALLY" left was because of this fact and, "TERRY" said he didn't write well for female character's.

Didn't stop it being a great series though.

Was "DW" equally, sexist because of supposedly being an Asexual character who had more females in the classic mould - that they get into trouble and the "DOCTOR" has to rescue them, etc??

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Valentine wrote:

Was "DW" equally, sexist because of supposedly being an Asexual character who had more females in the classic mould - that they get into trouble and the "DOCTOR" has to rescue them, etc??


I think with the exception of Barbara, Leela and Ace that yes, classic series DW was generally sexist. Unfortunatelly, it did seem to DW a while to catch up with changes in attitudes and not towards women. It wasn't until the Sylvester McCoy era that we began to see black and asian characters being given prominent roles in the series. Simillarly, gay characters were completely absent pre the new series, though as has often been noted, The Happiness Patrol works very well as a metaphor for the struggle for gay rights.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I voted No because Servalan was the Supreme Commander
I always thought Avon respected the female crew members
& gave them responsibility befitting their talents,not gender.

Vila was a bit of a male chauvinist & Tarrant a boy scout
re:his comforting Cancer...
I also thought Blake respected the female crew members
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cats wrote:

re:his comforting Cancer...
I also thought Blake respected the female crew members


He doesn't treat Jenna too well in Hostage, kissing Inga in front of her. He seems to use her - rather odd - affection for him.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the refresher CB been a long time since I watched that episode
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I voted Yes and I was reminded about this poll when watching Avon grab Servalan in 'Aftermath' last night.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a tricky question to answer.....There was a real concept of equality in
Blakes 7, regardless of gender, they all had strengths and weaknesses,
based on life experiances and body stature.

Servi was the one with power and status, and had seemingly attained her
position through cunning, double dealing and seduction, but then many of
those in power,the leaders, male or female were currupt, giving weight to the saying
"absolute power currupts, absolutely" it was not necessarily based on gender.

but rather a lack of compassion, which steriotypically
(not sure thats a real word) in the 70's was regarded as a male "failing" or "strength " depending on
your perspective of male gender roles.

I think Blakes7 explored human strengths and failings which often involed sexist behaviour.

in saying that, I really would have loved to see Jenna taking more of an active roll.




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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ooooo good topic.

I don't think B7 was all that sexist to be honest. In comparison to other shows of the time, and especially in comparison to much contemporary fodder, B7 comes across as treating the genders relatively equally. As people have already commented, the characters find their role within the crew according to their merit, and not because of what they look like. This, however, leaves aside comment on sexism in the actual casting of the show (i.e. having real lookers in the female roles compared to, well, the blokes), but this may be a bit of a side topic to the thread.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

white afro in space wrote:
ooooo good topic.

I don't think B7 was all that sexist to be honest. In comparison to other shows of the time, and especially in comparison to much contemporary fodder, B7 comes across as treating the genders relatively equally. As people have already commented, the characters find their role within the crew according to their merit, and not because of what they look like. This, however, leaves aside comment on sexism in the actual casting of the show (i.e. having real lookers in the female roles compared to, well, the blokes), but this may be a bit of a side topic to the thread.


you ve hit it right on the point there Afro, Yes Smiley I just read what I wrote a few weeks ago....and it reads like rambling drivel.....

some days I should not be let near a keyboard....LOL
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jenna's Character was wasted and how many times did Cally get taken over by alien minds
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Valentine wrote:
YES, It was sexist in some respects becuase of the era it was made in. One reaon why "SALLY" left was because of this fact and, "TERRY" said he didn't write well for female character's.

Didn't stop it being a great series though.

Was "DW" equally, sexist because of supposedly being an Asexual character who had more females in the classic mould - that they get into trouble and the "DOCTOR" has to rescue them, etc??


I thought Jenna could have been a brilliant character, but got a bit fed up of her gushing adorably every time Blake said something stupid.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

POSHIST!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now, you're talking piffle. Poshist? They had plenty of posh types on the show
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe he meant plebbist
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