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Are they all dead
Yes
43%
 43%  [ 13 ]
All except Avon
16%
 16%  [ 5 ]
All just stunned/Blake dead
23%
 23%  [ 7 ]
All just stunned/Blake a clone
16%
 16%  [ 5 ]
Total Votes : 30

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well,they brought Spock back (oops,wrong Federation ).


Yes and we don't want anything to do with a universe that has Janeway in it.

That's Admiral Janeway!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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All of them are dead! Face it, kids.


Nah.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thunda wrote:
Cockroach Boy wrote:
thunda wrote:
Well,they brought Spock back (oops,wrong Federation ).


Yes and we don't want anything to do with a universe that has Janeway in it.

That's Admiral Janeway!


The Admiral with a voice like a dentist's drill!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cockroach Boy wrote:
thunda wrote:
Cockroach Boy wrote:
thunda wrote:
Well,they brought Spock back (oops,wrong Federation ).


Yes and we don't want anything to do with a universe that has Janeway in it.

That's Admiral Janeway!


The Admiral with a voice like a dentist's drill!

she'd make a good Borg Queen though dont u think
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the masters of cheese wrote:
Cockroach Boy wrote:
thunda wrote:
Cockroach Boy wrote:
thunda wrote:
Well,they brought Spock back (oops,wrong Federation ).


Yes and we don't want anything to do with a universe that has Janeway in it.

That's Admiral Janeway!


The Admiral with a voice like a dentist's drill!

she'd make a good Borg Queen though dont u think


Not if that godawful story whe got assimilated was anything to go by!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugger Voyager - TNG ruined the Borg themselves with that awful episode I,Borg when one was given in identity as an individual. Typical bloody trek, always had to go all goey and PC and "humanise" the opposition. The Borg are best when they are a faceless mass. Give them an identity, a face, and they lose that menace factor.

And then First Contact, when the Borg started assimilating everyone they came into contact with - why for f*cks sake? They didn't even need to.

Q Who and The Best of Both Worlds were the best Borg episodes. The rest are crap and they suck. Except maybe that Voyager one with the crew of a damaged Cube who had shed their Borg bits and were themselves again.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Janov Seldon wrote:
Bugger Voyager - TNG ruined the Borg themselves with that awful episode I,Borg when one was given in identity as an individual. Typical bloody trek, always had to go all goey and PC and "humanise" the opposition. The Borg are best when they are a faceless mass. Give them an identity, a face, and they lose that menace factor.

And then First Contact, when the Borg started assimilating everyone they came into contact with - why for f*cks sake? They didn't even need to.

Q Who and The Best of Both Worlds were the best Borg episodes. The rest are crap and they suck. Except maybe that Voyager one with the crew of a damaged Cube who had shed their Borg bits and were themselves again.


I liked the one where the Borg were at war with Species 8472 (or whatever the number was). That was quite epic and exciting and Jeri Ryan made a very good debut. Sadly, both Species 8472 and Seven of Nine were diminished in later episodes. I think Jeri Ryan was a very talented actress and if was a criminal waste that Seven was just reduced to one of Janeway's lackeys. One my most hated moments in Star Trek was at the end of Dark Frontier when Seven simply accepted Captain Whineyvoice's authority without protest. Some freedom!!The Species suffered even more - they were 'nicefied' worse than the Borg were.

I always wanted Seven and Icheb to tell Janeway to get stuffed and go off and start their own collective.

Must admit though, I do like First Contact for Alice Krige's great peformance. The first Borg Queen was a good, literally slimy villain and again it's a shame Voyager ruined her.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I always wanted Seven and Icheb to tell Janeway to get stuffed and go off and start their own collective.



Icheb was beneath her, she could get much better than that.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

inge wrote:
Cockroach Boy said:
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I always wanted Seven and Icheb to tell Janeway to get stuffed and go off and start their own collective.



Icheb was beneath her, she could get much better than that.


As it was, the poor girl got stuck with Chakotay!!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cockroach Boy wrote:
Janov Seldon wrote:
Bugger Voyager - TNG ruined the Borg themselves with that awful episode I,Borg when one was given in identity as an individual. Typical bloody trek, always had to go all goey and PC and "humanise" the opposition. The Borg are best when they are a faceless mass. Give them an identity, a face, and they lose that menace factor.



I liked the one where the Borg were at war with Species 8472 (or whatever the number was). That was quite epic and exciting and Jeri Ryan made a very good debut. Sadly, both Species 8472 and Seven of Nine were diminished in later episodes. I think Jeri Ryan was a very talented actress and if was a criminal waste that Seven was just reduced to one of Janeway's lackeys. One my most hated moments in Star Trek was at the end of Dark Frontier when Seven simply accepted Captain Whineyvoice's authority without protest. Some freedom!!The Species suffered even more - they were 'nicefied' worse than the Borg were.

I always wanted Seven and Icheb to tell Janeway to get stuffed and go off and start their own collective.

Must admit though, I do like First Contact for Alice Krige's great peformance. The first Borg Queen was a good, literally slimy villain and again it's a shame Voyager ruined her.

I agree with Cockroach Boy,the Borg are more menacing when you know you can't reason with them.That is part of what made species 8472 so scary.An alien race so tough even the Borg are afraid of them and unable to communicate with.So natuarally where the Borg with the minds of thousands of assimilated races fail,Voyager succeeds.

I also liked the Hirogens,initially.A race similar to the Predator race from the movies.Intelligent yet only concerned with "the hunt" and taking trophies.Great for two maybe three episodes,until like species 8472 and the Borg the writers decide to humanize them.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cockroach Boy said:
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As it was, the poor girl got stuck with Chakotay!!


A slight improvement.

Thunda said:
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I think Jeri Ryan was a very talented actress and if was a criminal waste that Seven was just reduced to one of Janeway's lackeys.



I agree. Seven of Nine was a great character played so well by Jeri and was wasted somewhat. She had more potential than that.
And the Hirogen were a good adversary. I did like the episode Tsunkatse where Seven has to fight to save Tuvok. It makes a nice change from the 'hero rescuing the women' type of plot.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back on the subject...

When they were all shot down, I didn't see any broken skin or anything showing a beam penetrated them. Could have been stunned?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, 100%, none survived, all dead.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dayna was shot by Arlen and if not dead was badly wounded, and it showed.
Blake was shot 3 times by Avon so not likely to survive.
The rest were shot but no injuries were visible, except Tarrant , who was injured in the crash of the Scorpio.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The way I see it:

Avon - alive, because we didn't get to see him being shot
Blake. Dead, very dead
Dayna - dead. Different gun.
Vila - he took a dive! Look at the way he falls. The trooper who shoots him is behind, so he took the shot in the back. He should have fallen forward - a plasma/energy bolt still has some forward momentum - but he fell backwards.
Soolin - possibly stunned
Tarrant - Injured in the Scorpio crash and then the fight with the Bobby Ball lookalike. More likely collapsed from loss of blood due to internal injuries.
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