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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gambit: claustrophobic, convulated, over complicated, stunted, weak on character development, and just plain bloody pointless with nothing speaking for it. Why couldn't we have an episode in which Travis and Blake are trapped by the feds and have to work together to overcome their problem and their antagonism toward each other, it would have been like DUEL 2! I HATE this ep almost as much as I hate 'Animals' and 'Dawn of the Gods'.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ziggysawdust wrote:
Gambit: claustrophobic, convulated, over complicated, stunted, weak on character development, and just plain bloody pointless with nothing speaking for it. Why couldn't we have an episode in which Travis and Blake are trapped by the feds and have to work together to overcome their problem and their antagonism toward each other, it would have been like DUEL 2! I HATE this ep almost as much as I hate 'Animals' and 'Dawn of the Gods'.


....and breathe!

Come on, don't hold back - tell us what you think.

I agree on some of the points, but its good to get some comedy into the show and I do love the bits with Vila and Avon.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ziggysawdust wrote:
Gambit: claustrophobic, convulated, over complicated, stunted, weak on character development, and just plain bloody pointless with nothing speaking for it. Why couldn't we have an episode in which Travis and Blake are trapped by the feds and have to work together to overcome their problem and their antagonism toward each other, it would have been like DUEL 2! I HATE this ep almost as much as I hate 'Animals' and 'Dawn of the Gods'.


I agree - this is appalling overrated camp tosh !
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BLAKESCREWE wrote:
ziggysawdust wrote:
Gambit: claustrophobic, convulated, over complicated, stunted, weak on character development, and just plain bloody pointless with nothing speaking for it. Why couldn't we have an episode in which Travis and Blake are trapped by the feds and have to work together to overcome their problem and their antagonism toward each other, it would have been like DUEL 2! I HATE this ep almost as much as I hate 'Animals' and 'Dawn of the Gods'.


I agree - this is appalling overrated camp tosh !


The Main Plot Was All You Say, But, The Second Plot With Avon, Vila & Orac Is Pure Gold
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Well now," - "GAMBIT" has it's good and, bad points as, do all "B7" episodes. IF you listen to the commentary on the DVD's "DAVID MALONEY" said he thought that writer "ROBERT HOLMES" was sending the show up in this episode.

Best bits are the scenes between Avon and, in this episode!!!

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first time I ever saw Gambit I wasn't too sure what to make of it, but it's really grown on me and looks very good on DVD.

Krantor is an interesting villain. It's quite obvious that he's sleeping with Toise but - unusually for a 70's gay/bi character - he also shows affection for him - feeding him a sweet, holding his hand at the end. Allthough it's a flamboyabant peformance, it never enters the realms of mean spirited camp that Orbit descended into. Interestingly, Holmes had fairly recently created another sympathetic gay villain - the Graff Vynda Ka from Ribos Operation. It's quite notable that Travis is the only character in Blake's 7 ever to use a homophobic term - the 'powder puff' remark - and that Servalan responds to it with contempt.

The supporting cast are pure Holmes especially Docholi and the barmaid.Holmes always tended to side with outsiders and those on the fringes of the law and this episode gives him ample opportunity to explore those themes.I almost expected to see Sabalom Glitz and Jago placing bets in the casino. The Klute is Deep Roy at his sinister best.

The sets are much more effective than people tend to allow. The bar echoes the shape of the casino, being it's literal underside. Like The Keeper, this is an episode where time was spent to try and create a world, albeit an outlandish one.

Gareth Thomas and the girls get very little to do though the cat fight is funny .This episode belongs to Paul Darrow and Michael Keating. It's particularly clever that Avon's dead pan expression which is usually used to sinister effect, hear serves a more comic purpose.

Gambit marks a good turning point for Brian Croucher. Stripped of both his command and his uniform, Travis is a very different character to the one in Weapon and it seems to suit his acting style. His relationship with Docholi is as close as we ever saw him to having a friend. There is none of the inneffective ranting that spoilt Trial.

Flaws? Well the multiple schemes do get confusing. But then this does seem to be intentional and Jerriad seems to speaking for the audience when he is baffled by Servalan's plotting. Some of the outfits are a bit too silly - especially that guy with the plastic vampire teeth. Love the creepy looking clowns though.

There's no getting away from it though, Gambit is to Season two what Sacophogus is to Season three - an episode so different to those around that it sometimes feels like its from a seperate programme altogether. But that is a good thing in a way. It gives us the chance to see the characters in an unusual setting and stops us taking things for granted. The most original episode since Weapon and for me, up there with Shadow, Star One and Killer as the most enjoyable of its season
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The speed chess looks like it was generated by a contempary home computer, any ideas which.

For once we get to see Deep Roy out of costume as Klute.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pity we don't see more of Orac's miniturisation later in the series, it may have come in handy.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I liked this one - great fun! B7 goes camp!!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You mean "goes camper"?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like to propose some new terms, gambit factor and gambit ratio to identify when a tv series throws in a really bizarre episode.

Off the top of my head, The Prisoner had a few gambit factor episodes thus increasing the gambit ratio - you might even go as far to say that the whole series had the gambit factor and the gambit ratio was 1:1

For Red Dwarf, I'd say Gunmen of the Apocalypse came closest to having the gambit factor, therefore the gambit ratio would be 1:52 (or however many eps they had).
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doctor Who Gambit Factor episodes -

The Celestial Toymaker
The Mind Robber
The Deadly Assassin
The Leisure Hive
Kinda
Revelation of the Daleks
Mindwarp (Trial 5-
The Happiness Patrol
Greatest Show In The Galaxy
Ghost Light

And I love them all!!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Cockroach Boy":

It's quite notable that Travis is the only character in Blake's 7 ever to use a homophobic term - the 'powder puff' remark - and that Servalan responds to it with contempt.




What about "How does he tell the king from a QUEEN" in Orbit?






There's no getting away from it though, Gambit is to Season two what Sacophogus is to Season three - an episode so different to those around that it sometimes feels like its from a seperate programme altogether. But that is a good thing in a way. It gives us the chance to see the characters in an unusual setting and stops us taking things for granted. The most original episode since Weapon and for me, up there with Shadow, Star One and Killer as the most enjoyable of its season[/quote]
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Futsie wrote:
You mean "goes camper"?


Could it get any more camp?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you took all the camp bits and loaded them into a van, would that then be a campervan?
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