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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:16 pm    Post subject: B11: Gambit Reply with quote

I'm as confused as the powder-puff, Jarriere, about this one!
Okay, so Servalan wants to kill Blake and Travis, find Docholli's secret and kill him and then wipe out Krantor and his casino. So the grand plan is to tell Krantor she is after Travis and Docholli. Krantor is suspicious and realises that Docholli's secret must be of immense value for Servie to go to this trouble, so he wants the secret himself. The secret is worthless to Krantor but it will give him something to blackmail Servie over, giving Servie the chance to destroy him. Servie knows that Travis is obsessed with Blake and (at this stage) is not interested in Star One's location. Servie's plan is to use Travis' arm bomb to blow them up Docholli and Travis either way when Travis' arm is removed. This allows for the possibility of Krantor not finding Docholi first, which was Jarriere's question. However, this scenario means that Servie loses her excuse to kill Krantor and find the location of Star One. As it turns out,t he bug on Travis leads Krantor to Docholi anyway, but Travis still wins by kill
ing all of Docholli's henchmen. Am I reading this correctly?!
My next question is with regard to Travis demanding Docholli fix his arm at the end, after Krantor's henchman told him about the bomb. Is Travis trying to become a suicide bomber and blow up Blake alongside himself? Possibly, given Travis' obsession with Blake's eath and also the fact that Blake comments that killing Travis would be a mercy (in yet another excuse not to assassinate the character.) Why doesn't the bomb go off? Did Servie deliberately keep it disabled so that she could find Docholli alive? Why put a bomb on him at all? Was that for Krantor's benefit via the bug? Why not just say he had a bomb and disable the arm without really adding a bomb?
I'm confused!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I watched this the other day and having now thought about it, realise I too am confused.

Servalan did talk of the arm bomb, which Travis was told about, but I don't know why he went ahead with getting Docholli to fix it, unless he thought Krantor's man was lying. I cannot see that having a bomb would help Servalan achieve her objectives.

I watched this on DVD and the voice synch was out - has anyone else experienced this, or is it my cheap DVD player? (The voice sync was fine when I watched with the commentary).
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I assumed when Travis said to Docholli to fix his arm he meant to put it back to its original state - ie a working arm without a bomb.

Have to confess that I, too, have never fully grasped Servie's thinking behind all this.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pna wrote:

I watched this on DVD and the voice synch was out - has anyone else experienced this, or is it my cheap DVD player? (The voice sync was fine when I watched with the commentary).


I haven't had this problem with my player, but as you said, if you are using a cheaper player, it may be having trouble keeping up.

I'll check mine out later.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad I'm not the only confused one. I do like the suicide bomber interpretation though, as it makes the show rather prescient about disturbing current events.
Yes, the sound was slightly out of synch on mine as well.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

I watched this again last night.

I spotted that Krantor's henchman did not actually tell Travis there was a bomb in his arm, just that he would die from gangrene if he didn't get it seen to, and was finished if he did. I therefore think Travis just assumed the guy was lying.

Secondly, I think that Servalan didn't absolutely want to find the location of Star One for herself (although that would be nice to know) - what she wanted was to stop Blake finding it, hence the 'dead or alive' request on Docholli at the outset, hence the business with the bomb kinda makes sense, even though she runs the risk that she doesn't find out the whereabouts of Star One. I think it was just a mistake that it wasn't armed. If Krantor finds Docholli and the location of Star One, then she can 'legitimately' get rid of Krantor and get rid of Freedom City's neutral status, which is a bonus, but not her prime objective. Servalan's plan(s) are predicated on doing this before Blake gets there - remember she tells Krantor she doesn't have much time, and she doesn't want to waste time torturing Travis. I think this makes sense now!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just been watching it and Servalan pretty much explains her motives in the scene where Jarriere and her are planting the bomb in his arm.

And now I've been looking for it, I have noticed a slight lip synch problem here and there.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would have been interesting to see how they got Orac to play the wheel for them. I'm sure that Orac would have refused to do it as it would be beneath him.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They probably appealed to Orac's ego in the same way that they convinced him/it to shrink!
I'm still not convinced regarding the theories on the convoluted Servie plans/bomb failure above.
The more I think about it, it almost seems like there is a page of the script missing, in which dialogue is given:
Servie: Quickly, Jarriere, trail Krantor's men. They wil lead you to Travis and Docholli!
Jarriere: Surely the bomb will take care of them, Supremem Commander.
Servie: You fool, Jarriere! I didn't prime the bomb. I wanted it to be thought that I had because [insert convoluted scheme here].
Jarriere: I see now, Supreme Commander.
Servie: Do you really, Jarriere? Do you really understand at all?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're right - the bomb wasn't primed when Blake looked at it. Is it possible that she did that for Krantor's benefit as she figured that she and Jarriere were being monitored ?
Perhaps she felt that by making it appear that Dochalli was more valuable, it would prompt Krantor to step up the search. Mmmm, not certain really.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Servie spotted the listening bug on Travis' body. Maybe she thought there was a viewing device as well. I was thinking that perhaps Servie was afraid Krantor would pick Travis up again but that doesn't make sense either as Krantor would be blown up if he tried to look at the bomb arm and it was primed and thus would be too afriad to do so. If he did look and it wasn't primed, he'd know Servie was bluffing. Servie could, therefore, just as easily have bluffed by saying there was a bomb there and not adding any at all. It doesn't make sense to add the bomb and not prime it. (Have I lost you yet?)
The other interesting thing about this episode is that, despite Servie's intricate plans, in which she seems to have covered every angle, she fails on every count. Because Travis is able to kill Krantor's henchmen (surely Servie realised her highly trained ex-officer could handle them) and that (for whatever reason) the bomb failed, the following occurred:
Travis, Blake and Docholli all lived;
Blake and Travis knew where next to go on the hunt for Star One clues;
Krantor could presumably continue to run his casino in peace (if he ever recovered from the loss to Vila)
Talk about the best laid plans of mice and supreme commanders...
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've watched that scene a couple more times and it seems more and more likely that your theory is right Hobgoblin. Its just that they didn't make it very clear.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps the bomb was really a remote bomb that would only be primed once Servalan activated the control ? Or maybe the explosive was put in there so that if Travis were scanned, it would show up.

I sort of got the feeling that Krantor's underling was going to 'bump off' Krantor shortly after the episode, by the way that he was talking to him.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could be an exxplanation. Wish they had made it clearer though!
Yes, Krantor's underling/boyfriend wasn't too happy with him, firstly saying his costume was too top-heavy and then losing all of that money!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The other thing that crossed my mind was Servalan dimisses using torture herself and then decides to put the bomb in the arm.

Is it possible that she thought that Krantor would have resorted to using torture for some reason on Travis in order to get the information. So by putting the bomb in the arm, it would put him off, in case the torture activated it. And thus allowing Travis to lead them to Dochalli.

Gawd, wheres Columbo when you need him
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